Present Tense

Changing my mind…..

What good is a blogger who doesn’t blog?  Have I run out of things to say?  Doubtful.  But, I’ve had nothing to write about.  No coherent message is banging around in my brain and I think I have finally figured out why.  Some things are not as I thought they were and that can leave one wondering, “What do I say, now?”.

I’ve spent the past 6-8 months studying things that I knew very little about: religion, spirituality, meditation, belief systems, etc.  In doing so, I’ve cracked open some doors in my own value system that have been closed  and locked for a long time.  I’ve written about this personal exploration on my blog and what I’m now noticing is a subtle shift in how I view the world.  Actually, maybe it’s not so subtle; I’ve actually changed my mind on a couple of issues that I thought were settled for me.  Realizing that some of one’s opinions may have been misguided for years can be scary, disturbing, annoying and liberating.

In undertaking my own study, my own journey, I’ve had to admit that a lot of my beliefs, education, opinions and values leached into me, via what OTHER  people told me.  Those who’s views I aligned myself with were force feeding a lot of ‘information’ that I had swallowed over the years as ‘the truth’.  Not so fast.  “The Truth” is slippery and elusive and can’t be distilled down to a few sound bites or pronouncements.  But, it’s so much easier to just listen, swallow and then regurgitate, than to actually study, think, analyze and come to your own conclusions, right?

Let’s come at this from a political perspective, which is so polarizing right now.  I’m as guilty as anyone of consuming and repeating ‘the party line’; I’m still of the same persuasion, but I do have some significant differences of opinion from many of my tribe’s elders.  Too many of us think that we MUST support every hare-brained idea, pronouncement, policy, law, proposal, opinion, belief, etc. of our party’s tribal elders or we’re not team players.  We don’t.  We are allowed to think and speak for ourselves, despite the fact that there is always someone ready to shout us down, picket, call us names, accuse us of ‘hate’.  We need to realize that for nearly all of our so-called leaders, spokespeople, pundits and talking heads, there is a very strong motivation to keep us on their team:  Money and Power.  And I’m talking to my brethren in the ‘other’ party as well.  Don’t think I’m going to swallow your tribal elders’ nonsense and neither should you.

At the risk of sounding like some nut-job conspiracy theorist I am fed up with the constant ‘us against them’ fights that are trumped up and spewed via the media and the internet.  Democrats against republicans, men against women, straights against gays, whites against blacks/hispanics, Christians against non-believers, blah, blah, blah.  Oh, yeah, I’ve been there in a couple of those fights.  I’m ashamed of it.  First thing to do: educate yourself.  This kind of conflict comes from ignorance.  Much of the media/political parties/religious groups/etc. thrive on fear, suspicion, hatred and intense emotion (most of it negative).  Stop buying into it.  Stop half-listening.

I’ll give you an example from my own life.  I had never read the Bible; never really knew what was in it, other than what I was told by others who I figured were far more knowledgeable than little old me,  on religious matters.  Here’s what I learned after reading it cover to cover:  Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you (or as accepted in some Buddhist circles: Do not do unto others, as you would not have done unto you) AND one from J.C. that really hit home with me:  “Why do you look at the sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own?”.   Meaning that none of us are without sin, right?  Well, then shut up about everyone else’s behavior or orientation.  Pray for all of us sinners, but realize that not everyone sees or lives in the world based on your (sometimes bastardized) rules.  Don’t do unto others and deal with your own plank(s).    Churches are FULL of sinners, every single Sunday and your obsession with prioritizing which sins require your constant attention is tiresome and I dare say, NOT WJWD. (What Jesus Would Do, for you heathens:).

I am not calling out one religion because all of them have their issues because we are HUMANS.  We have poor judgment, get caught up in emotion, don’t take the time to listen and understand other viewpoints and are force fed crapola 24/7 via the information superhighway (before anyone calls me a hypocrite: yes, I’ve been on the radio for over 25 years and am blogging on the World Wide Web….I get it).  I embrace the information that’s at our fingertips thanks to technology. I think it’s marvelous and can make all of us so much smarter, more tolerant, better educated and more well-informed.  However, we must actively read and sift through all of this information, in order to reach my utopian ideal of a more informed humanity.  Don’t just sit and listen to a bunch of people with an agenda who want to fill your brains with their narrative; go online, read opposing viewpoints, read ACTUAL laws, books, or whatever will give you both sides of an issue and THEN decide your own views.

Now, sock it to me.  Here we are, gathered on the information superhighway, where you’ve read my thoughts.  Give me yours and we’ll all keep an open mind. Deal?

May 22, 2010 - Posted by | Musings | , , , ,

52 Comments »

  1. It sounds like you feel deceived and misdirected. That is understandable. Not many of us actually wake up to that very disturbing truth. Yet we cannot really blame those who deceived us. They were likely deceived themselves. An old saying from the Bible says “The sins of the fathers shall visit unto the seventh generation.” So, okay, those authors knew about how our genetic codes pass down before we did? Maybe so. That is pretty scary really.

    Nonetheless those who handed off our fears to us to deal with had no idea they were doing such things. It was all they knew. The inception of the deception sits well behind them. Even if they did know, giving in to that argument, would it do us any good to blame them? Of course not.

    This could go on forever! Something tells me we should sit over a cup of coffee sometime.

    Comment by Greg | May 22, 2010 | Reply

    • Greg: The religious aspect is only part of it. In the era of 24 hour news channels and the internet, where content is king and time/space must be filled, a great number of the ‘deceivers’ have a profit motive. I don’t blame them, I blame ME for not being as diligent as I should in keeping my bullshit detector on high alert. That was the point of my post; we all need a bit more intellectual rigor, as we develop and posit our opinions.
      Thanks for the comment!

      Comment by janelondon | May 22, 2010 | Reply

  2. Way to go Jane! The independent investigation of the truth is a basic inalienable human right that EVERYONE must be diligent to exercise and maintain. I get really tired of people telling me that I should believe something just because it exists and someone ELSE told them is was true. Hogwash! If it doesn’t make any sense in my brain, I’m not swallowing it.

    Comment by Roxanne Rieske | May 22, 2010 | Reply

    • Roxanne:

      Interesting comment. I’ve always been an info junkie and a trained journalist and yet, I was kind of led around on certain issues. A lot of the Buddhist study that I did is what opened my eyes. There is belief (hope, faith) and there is truth (what you KNOW to be) and we as humans tend to hold very tightly to the former, in most areas of our lives:)

      Thanks so much
      Jane

      Comment by janelondon | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  3. You have merely done your job as you knew it to be. Now that an awakening is happening for you does not give excuse to blaming yourself for a lack of due diligence. How could you have conducted due diligence from such a state of mind? Leave away from that self-accusation now! The deal is you now know. That is the important part. Thanks for joining us! I’ll buy the coffee.

    Comment by Greg | May 22, 2010 | Reply

  4. I took that journey about 10 years ago and I feel a lot better about myself and no more guilt. It’s okay to have your own opinions and ideas even if they differ from your leaders, friends and siblings. I don’t worry about getting a bad girl slip anymore, I listen to understand and not respond I don’t roll over and I make sure it is in line with me!

    Way to go!

    Dianna

    Comment by Dianna | May 23, 2010 | Reply

    • Dianna:
      thanks for the note. I have always held very strong opinions and have no problem expressing them (have you heard me on the radio??), but the shift is in reassessing my beliefs. Are they based on what I know to be true, or ‘conventional wisdom’ presented via so-called experts, etc.
      I haven’t changed my core beliefs about politics, in particular,but have altered the way I ingest information.
      I really appreciate that you read my blog and took the time to comment. You are my kind of ‘people’…someone who will express themselves! We need more true expression right now!

      jane

      Comment by janelondon | May 23, 2010 | Reply

      • Jane,

        I have listened to the Dom & Jane show for a long time. About 6 years ago I vowed to never listen again because of something that was said, I think that lasted about 8 months and then I got over myself. Again, I realized people have thier own opinions and it’s okay. We have to remember that we have the power to allow people to make us feel good or bad.

        I want to share this quote I received from Russell Means:

        “History starts today with how we treat each other!”

        Keep blogging, I enjoy the read!

        Dianna

        Comment by Dianna | May 23, 2010

  5. You are touching a nerve here! That’s not a bad thing really. But it can be a bit painful. To stand in the glaring flash of the present moment, things as they are, is not always fun. And I look at my parents who yet live at 85 and see they are deluded. Yet I envy the peace of mind they have in their beliefs. There is something to be said for peace of mind wherever it comes from. But I know better and cannot embrace those beliefs I let go of so long ago. But it is a brutal path, sometimes. And to know that probably all avenues of information we have are manipulated in some way is the hardest to swallow. How can we really be in the present moment with things as they are when all avenues of information has likely been manipulated? How can we make appropriate decisions for where we go next and what we do next if we have been deceived? I’m not clear on what we can do about these things. This is my clarity in this moment: maybe we cannot be clear and really see things as they are. We have no trusted resources. Do we?

    Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  6. The independent investigation of the truth is probably the #1 moral principle I was raised with, in The Baha’i Faith, and it is still a core belief of mine. As evidenced here:

    (Quoted from info.bahai.org)

    “Baha’u’llah emphasizes the fundamental obligation of human beings to acquire knowledge with their “own eyes and not through the eyes of others.” One of the main sources of conflict in the world today is the fact that many people blindly and uncritically follow various traditions, movements, and opinions. God has given each human being a mind and the capacity to differentiate truth from falsehood. If individuals fail to use their reasoning capacities and choose instead to accept without question certain opinions and ideas, either out of admiration for or fear of those who hold them, then they are neglecting their basic moral responsibility as human beings. Moreover, when people act in this way, they often become attached to some particular opinion or tradition and thus intolerant of those who do not share it. Such attachments can, in turn, lead to conflict. History has witnessed conflict and even bloodshed over slight alterations in religious practice, or a minor change in the interpretation of doctrine. Personal search for truth enables the individual to know why he or she adheres to a given ideology or doctrine.

    Bahá’ís believe that, as there is only one reality, all people will gradually discover its different facets and will ultimately come to common understanding and unity, provided they sincerely seek after truth. In this connection, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá said:

    “Being one, truth cannot be divided, and the differences that appear to exist among the many nations only result from their attachment to prejudice. If only men would search out truth, they would find themselves united”.
    And further:

    “The fact that we imagine ourselves to be right and everybody else wrong is the greatest of all obstacles in the path towards unity, and unity is necessary if we would reach truth, for truth is one.”

    Comment by Roxanne Rieske | May 23, 2010 | Reply

    • The key word you use is belief. Baha’i is, admitted by you and Baha’i itself, a faith. Faith = beliefs. Beliefs = assumptions. Assumptions = the very things we are working away from here. No matter how high sounding your beliefs are. Consider that this “one reality” you speak of has already been interpreted FOR you within the constraints of your beliefs. As Jane noticed, and I paraphrase, we tend to lean back on our beliefs when reality gets a bit too much. I will give you this. I too feel there is an ultimate reality. But it exists at an Absolute level. Where we are, all is relative. And the various relative “truths” are what we are faced with each day. We simply cannot exist as individuals in the face of Absolute reality. The individual would disappear. And there would be no discourse. So what are we really looking for here in this discussion?

      Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  7. Great piece of writing, Jane… and good for you for doing some really difficult, time consuming work on yourself… it’s a practice we all would be better humans for undertaking, no matter the conclusions. This kind of work is essential for growth on the path to becoming a healthy, happy, fully “realized” human being… and I applaud your effort. See, turning our age isn’t so bad, is it?!?

    Comment by Kathy | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  8. Greg, in my experience Faith does not equal Belief. I think the two are entirely separate from one another. They are defined differently, even by linguists. Likewise, beliefs are not assumptions. Assumptions are usually made from hasty generalizations or from a series of observations that are often not scrutinized–not necessarily logical or reasoned.

    I mean, really, do I need to have some sort of Faith (let me make it clear that I am not religious at all) in order to believe that being a good, kind human being is a generally a good thing? NO. Do I need to have ANY Faith in order to believe that all people should be treated w/ respect and tolerance for their opinions and beliefs? NO. Do I need any Faith to believe that we can all live harmoniously if we all just put away our big ego sticks? Definitely not.

    While some of my personal convictions have been influenced by my family’s religious background, almost all of my personal convictions and beliefs (well hell, I’ll just come right out and call them Truths–how ‘bout that!) have been confirmed and reaffirmed by my life experiences: through study, observations of behavior and people, and various life experiences.

    I don’t think Truth changes. I just think it expands in different directions depending on what information is coming into your brain; and for this reason, I don’t think it can be relative at all. It just IS, and we all have the ability to tap into it if we want to. Some would say that people who believe in Relative Truth are really holding onto delusions. They may be kind delusions–the kind that allow you to get through a difficult period–but they are still delusions.

    Your way of thinking is very Post-Modernist (a common mode of philosophy in this day, as the term is rather self-evident), and I just can’t go in that direction. Something in that MO just doesn’t fit for me.

    Comment by Roxanne Rieske | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  9. Also Greg…You say we cannot exist “in the face of Absolute reality.” Really? I don’t know about you, but I’m alive and well and pretty sure I’m living pretty “real.” I don’t like such “outs.” That’s like saying, “Nothing I do makes any difference, so I’m checking out!” Bah!

    There are lots of different roads we can take in our investigation. What roads we take and how difficult the journey is purely a life of our own making.

    Comment by Roxanne Rieske | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  10. Well I guess we smoked out a fundamentalist! Roxanne figures she has me pegged. Since she has met me and knows me all so well! Not. A “post-modernist” is what I now am! Glad to finally have a label! Well, I know I will regret correcting your impeccable mind, but I’m more along the lines of purist Buddhist which means your clock is off by…oh, maybe 2500 years. And, for the record, there is no “me” or “you” in the Absolute. Our present experience is one of relativity. That you may want to look up before you come back in here with any more of your agenda. I’m no too sure anyone is buying what you seem hell-bent on selling here.

    Isn’t it wonderful how open-minded we can be?

    Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  11. Gosh Jane…where is this going? Did things get off track or something?

    Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010 | Reply

    • Greg:

      You’re on your own, here. I was really making more of a commentary on political views/beliefs, than religion. I just kind of used the melding of religion and politics as an example. My intent wasn’t to get into the quicksand of religious/spiritual arguments; I’m not smart enough for that one. I write what I know.
      And I have to say for one so sure of one’s truths, you certainly let Roxanne get under your skin:)
      Jane

      Comment by janelondon | May 23, 2010 | Reply

      • Sorry. I was not asking you to stand in with me here. I know it looks that way. Yes I did let her under my skin. I have this thing that says I need to challenge arrogance wherever I meet it. I don’t know where that came from. Perhaps because narcissistic arrogance is gaining strength in our world we live in and I really think that is wrong. Dangerous. Controlling. And manipulative. Maybe I need to reconsider challenging such things know they will eventually burn out. But, know what? They don’t tend to burn out! I still think we should level the field if we ever hope to have a conversation about these matters of getting to the truth that makes any sense. I hope the conversation you started gets back on track. I’ll take my share of responsibility for driving this off into the ditch.

        Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010

  12. “In this world, what passes for wisdom, is generally nothing more than well organized ignorance.” I’d give credit where due but I have no idea who said it. I’d sure like to meet them some day.

    Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  13. Greg:

    I think that the need to ‘challenge arrogance’ is in itself, arrogant, no? You’re right..off the rails. I’m done:)
    Jane

    Comment by janelondon | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  14. No. I disagree. Challenging arrogance is an appropriate response to a situation where another is trying to dominate through argument, or at the worst level, through bearing arms against me. That form of challenge is not arrogance. It is a declaration of self-worth in the face of one who would drive that down. That is all.

    Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  15. For the record, I’m not “Buddhist” enough to let someone set me on fire and forgive them as I turn to ashes! Not there yet!

    Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  16. My effort to bring this back on track: What are our trusted resources of information? Are there any?

    Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  17. Hi Jane. Listen to your show. New to your blog. Thanks for having me. WOW – Did you open a can o’ worms! Congratulations on your investigation and for sharing what you are learning on your journey. I was so interested in the conversation the “broke out” between two of your fans. There is a reason that people avoid talking about religion and politics! In my opinion the reason is because that is where all the “power” has lived since the origin of societies.

    If you are interested in a good comparative study of the fundamental beliefs of a variety of religions a book called “God’s Breath” might be right on target. If you are interested in reading about the dangers of arrogance – find a book called “If Grace is True.” WOW – are the arrogant in for a big surprise – and the funny thing is that it does not matter which “religion” they follow.

    For opposing political views I like Rachel Maddow and George Will – two VERY smart and diverse points of view. I have to be careful though – it can be like drinking from a fire hose!

    You are an interesting woman and I am glad that my friend Kandace suggested I look you up.

    Comment by Amy | May 23, 2010 | Reply

    • Amy:
      thanks for the note. I’ve been a professional worm can opener for years now, so it’s all good:)
      Thanks for the book suggestions; i’m an avid reader and will put them on my library list.
      Glad you enjoyed my post; would love it if you checked out some of my older posts, on similar or related subjects. More cans o’ worms, I guess. Just trying to deal with these delicate subjects in an honest way! And you’re so right about where the ‘power’ of most societies dwells. That is an excellent point for me to ponder in future posts!

      Jane

      Comment by janelondon | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  18. Greg:

    I’m sorry if you consider my viewpoints as spitting in your face. That’s not my intention at all. This world is big enough for everyone’s view points. There’s a lot of Buddhist thought in Post-Modernism, so I’m not that far off the mark. It’s a post 19th century trend whether you want to subscribe to it or not. I’d like to know how you came to think I’m a fundamentalist! That’s a pretty laughable peg for me! My intention was to disagree w/ you while still being respectful, and I think I succeeded pretty well. My thoughts are not angry, just different than yours, and I’m sorry you think otherwise.

    Comment by Roxanne Rieske | May 23, 2010 | Reply

    • I take a step back then. You sounded so strong that it felt like a fundamentalist point of view. Baha’i or otherwise. I think we have found level ground. That is a sweet place to be.

      Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010 | Reply

      • No worries here. I come on strong sometimes. You’re not the first to take it as a pissy attitude :-D. I’m really easy going most of the time. When I feel intensely about things, I tend to act that way. I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing, yet. Please know that I would never begrudge you you’re right to think, feel, behave, believe in the way that you do. I’m not that person. I might not agree, and I am not shy about saying so (to anyone), but I would never try to take that right away from you, or discourage you from doing so. Does that make sense?

        Comment by Roxanne Rieske | May 24, 2010

  19. Amy – thanks for jumping in. It’s not usually all that exciting around here. Roxanne pissed me off and that is about all there has been. Sorry you tagged in on such a note. Thanks for your graciousness and tolerance!!

    Jane is usually her normal boring professionally trained verbose journalistic self and I’m usually my normal boring untrained verbose low-life wannabe Buddhist self who loves to stir up sh*t! And even though I cannot tell you how many times I HAD to dial over to KVOD because I could not stand Jane’s ragging on about something or the other…we still love each other! And, Amy, I’m taking notes here too. Thanks for the book suggestions.

    But never let it be said I let an opportunity slip by. Let me start up something else. How much arrogance does it take to cause the City of New York to cave in to plans to build a 13 story mega-mosque near ground zero? And they plan to unveil it on 9/11/2011. Just goes to show you if one is arrogant enough the weak will buckle. Wow.

    Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010 | Reply

  20. And, Jane! How is it you did not report this New York City mosque plan to us? I had to find out from other sources? I thought you were on the path of truth-telling? (Here I go again.)

    Comment by Greg | May 23, 2010 | Reply

    • Greg:
      Thanks for the kind comments about me and my boring blog. Perhaps you could direct everyone to yours, instead? I’m sure it’s much more insightful. By the way, I do have a journalism degree, but haven’t been a practicing journalist for many years.
      Jane

      Comment by janelondon | May 24, 2010 | Reply

      • I have to take a hit for that. I did a very lousy job of trying to lighten it up in here. Sometime my toungue-in-check comes over caustic. My apologies.

        Comment by Greg | May 24, 2010

  21. I would need to look into the details about this Mosque at Ground Zero before I could really comment on it. For instance, is it just being pegged a Mosque or is it really some sort of inter-faith cultural center that is being built by the New York Islamic community as a sign of good faith and good will? I’m sure there’s a bunch of speculation and ignorant rumors about it just because the word Islam is attached to it. Sad, really.

    I also don’t understand this mentality of hating Islam because a few Islamic Fundamentalists hijacked plans and crashed them into buildings. Would we hate Christianity and all Christians for the same reason? It’s not reasonable or logical.
    And it’s really not fair or just to all the good people who call Islam their Faith.

    Yes, Islam does have a disturbing heritage of violence, but there is a movement within Islam to turn that around, by those who realize that their faith cannot survive in a global, multi-religious/cultural world under that stewardship. I pray it succeeds.

    Comment by Roxanne Rieske | May 24, 2010 | Reply

    • Roxanne:
      I think the mosque question was for me….I have no idea what that has to do with my post, since I wasn’t really intending a religious bent, but stream of consciousness seems to have taken over.
      Jane

      Comment by janelondon | May 24, 2010 | Reply

      • I know, right? haha! Stream of consciousness isn’t always a bad thing. Interesting things seem to turn up. 🙂

        Comment by Roxanne Rieske | May 24, 2010

  22. Jane: You’re blog is far from boring! You have quite the fascinating mind. I’d rather read this than some blog about celebrity BS.

    Comment by Roxanne Rieske | May 24, 2010 | Reply

  23. I posted a press release from 9/11 families about the mega-mosque in New York City, for informational and discussional purposes, about an hour ago. It has been censored. As in completely deleted. Imagine my surprise.

    Comment by Greg | May 25, 2010 | Reply

    • Greg
      I am going to “Censor” you again. I would prefer you not use my blog in this way. It’s neither the spirit nor my intention to turn this into a political discussion.
      Thanks for your cooperation.
      Jane

      Comment by janelondon | May 25, 2010 | Reply

      • Well, Jane, thanks for at least leaving your need to censure me here in this forum an open, honest statement for readers. I did not suspect you initially. I figured it may well have been your blog hosts. I’ll defer to your wishes. I do have a request if you would. How is it we can really know what is happening in our world when information is cut off, suppressed and manipulated? Did I mis-read the kick-off post? (I will SO give you that I can mis-read the obvious.) What are the appropriate channels for dissemination of highly charged issues? Or am I being too forward yet again? If so, I’ll pull away and avoid anything that could get inflammatory. This is your personal property here and I’ll not trespass. I really had no idea I WAS trespassing. But you let me know in no uncertain terms. And that clears it up in good order, really.

        Comment by Greg | May 25, 2010

  24. My parting note to you. Your censorship betrays you as a very closed-minded individual. You, once again, censored my commentary on your censorship. And it was not inflammatory. It was a concession to you. Are you this shallow? I’m very glad you are not in the journalistic profession any longer. We could never trust your reports. Are you this insecure and shallow? Apparently so. It is clear to me that all you have in mind here is to elicit strokes from your followers. You throw some sh*t out there and all your are interested in are ego strokes. You have no intention of fostering an open forum as your initiating posts would suggest. I have reviewed ALL of your initiating posts, only two of which I engaged with, and have seen the very same result. You say, “bring it” and when we do…you buckle and run away. And, at worst, clip off what you do not want to hear. I’m very sorry for you Jane. You are a “come here” then “go away” kind of person. Listen dear companion on this path, if you are going to light the stove, be prepared to stand by it. And waffling is not acceptable.

    Comment by Greg | June 1, 2010 | Reply

    • Greg:
      I’m sorry that you became so strident about my little blog here. You initially had given me some insight into Buddha-dharma and recommended a book that I now own. It would seem that you are in great need of getting the last word, which is a very un-Buddha like action, but it’s a journey right?

      Your constant railing about censorship is amusing to me. You can espouse any ideas that you choose and I certainly would never try and change your mind, however the tone and the direction that you were attempting to take for the comment page on my blog, was going in a direction that I didn’t care for, so, yes, I put you on my ‘moderator’ list.

      I’ve tried to keep my blog from away from the overtly, emotionally political, since that is one of the issues that I’m exploring; i.e. how we are all so divided and sometimes, manipulated by portions of the media/internet. I asked for a rational discussion and in my opinion, you began to cross that line. Sorry if that offends you, but as a blogger and a radio host, I feel a responsibility to focus the discussion.

      I have no problem with criticism of me, my writing or my ideas. That wasn’t my issue with you. I would would hardly describe my reactions as “buckling and running away”; I’m out here on the ‘net, and on the radio, for all the world to see, hear and critique. You, on the other hand, seem to enjoy throwing bombs from your anonymous basement.

      It would seem that you have a lot of pent up anger/opinions, etc. that needs to be expressed and I would encourage you to start your own blog (it’s free, by the way) and begin your own commentary. I would be one of your first subsribers.

      Thanks again. Sorry you want to leave.
      Jane

      Comment by janelondon | June 2, 2010 | Reply

      • Well you did manage to bring me around with a great deal of graciousness. That I did not expect from you. Your radio personality, for me, is one of a very opinionated “stick-in-the-mud”. Obviously you have proven this not to be the case.

        Yes, I felt outrage at the censure because what I put out there was more or less “drawn out” by a loose interpretation of the context. I felt it was critical to get those things up on the table. I’m horrified at how complacent and numb we sit in the face of things on the move that are very threatening to our freedoms. Yet I do see where I overstepped your concept and intentions for this blog. I find, once again, I’m in a position to apologize and willing and publicly do so.

        As for “un-Buddha like” behavior…I can only ask you to reflect on this, “What does a Buddhist look like? How does a Buddhist act?”

        Thanks Jane. You have surprised me out of my assumptions of you. That’s a good thing.

        Comment by Greg | June 5, 2010

      • Greg:
        This isn’t my radio show and thank you so much for your ‘blessing’. It would appear that your “assumptions” get the better of you quite a lot (right, Roxanne?). I know you’ll keep working on that, as we all do and again, I look forward to the opportunity to read your blog.
        Jane

        Comment by janelondon | June 5, 2010

  25. Okay…I stand here embarrassed and I wish to get this up in front for everyone to see right now. You did not censure my last comment. For some reason my browser dropped it off. Until I posted today’s musing. I felt like commenting as I took my leave at the perceived censure and it turned out inappropriate in the context. Yet…I do stand by much of my thoughts about your structure and receptivity to what you have put out here. I’d like to know how I can unsubscribe here so I will not get any more update posts.

    Comment by Greg | June 1, 2010 | Reply

  26. Happy Trails, Greg!

    Comment by Roxanne Rieske | June 2, 2010 | Reply

    • LOL! Thanks Roxanne. But I’m looking around, and guess what? There is no trail!

      Comment by Greg | June 5, 2010 | Reply

  27. I love and miss you, Jane.

    Comment by Janice Piscitelli | June 4, 2010 | Reply

  28. (I don’t know if it is user error – that would be me – or browser error – that I’ll leave unnamed! But I could not continue the string so I guess I respond without intending to start a new string):

    Jane…I don’t see a “blessing” above. Is there? I don’t think I’m that presumptuous? I could be that presumptuous I guess. Another thing for me to look at!

    What I intended to offer was an apology, an acknowledgment of a deeper understanding of you, and a plea to continue a “community” dialogue.

    And you are correct. Of the “Four Agreements” two plague me daily. “Make No Assumptions” and “Take Nothing Personally”. The quy who wrote that book is going to kill me before my time! I think he needs to add a fifth, just for me. “Make No Presumptions.” I guess it is the same thing as an assumption. He has me coming and going.

    As for Roxanne. We pretty much agreed that we each have a tendency to piss people off. We are no longer shouting at each other. “One small step for peace, one huge step for…” Wow I forget it wraps up?

    Comment by Greg | June 5, 2010 | Reply

    • And thanks for the encouragement to start my own blog. I’ll not be doing that anytime soon. It would be so inflammatory against powerful and bigoted belief systems as to get me on a list I don’t want to be on. Not yet anyway.

      Comment by Greg | June 5, 2010 | Reply

  29. As for throwing bombs from my anonymous basement…that is the inherent defect in this kind of format. Anyone can get away with that kind of cheap shot. I do not intend to hide behind a rock and take shots at you. I’ll be glad to stand side by side with you and shake things out. I will even publish my last name here and present my email address. Notice I did not say toe-to-toe. I don’t do that. Unless you are my ex-wife. Then I do the “in the face” thing as necessary. I am no sniper. Now, Jane, do look at your initiating commentary. Did it not invite a wide open discussion of how manipulated we really are? Or were you bemoaning how manipulated you feel and we are invited to commiserate your wounds?

    Comment by Greg | June 5, 2010 | Reply

  30. As is said of meeting the Buddha on the road…kill him! Do you know what that means? This is a true parable or so it is said. There is no Buddha other than yourself. That impostor on the road is just that.

    Comment by Greg | June 5, 2010 | Reply

  31. Great post, Jane. I’ve got to run…I’m gonna stop by Greg’s for a nice warm mug of WTF.

    Comment by Kelly | June 6, 2010 | Reply


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